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		<title>By: pbossley</title>
		<link>http://serotalk.com/2009/06/11/sour-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>pbossley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 02:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to stop back and give my first impressions on iPhone 3GS with Voice Over.

Over all, Apple has done a great job with this and I am very excited at the step forward that this represents for Universal Accessibility—as well as the opportunities that it presents for future applications.  The iPhone is home to many a valuable third party applications and having built-in accessibility at no additional cost is something that everyone in the Blindness community should celebrate.

Now to the nitty-gritty.  The iPhone 3GS is a device with a very large touch screen that supports multi-touch.  Meaning, unlike most touch screen devices, it is capable of detecting where multiple touch points are.  Therefore it is not necessary to use a stylus to operate the device.  In the United States, it is sold and operated exclusively on the AT&amp;T cellular network.  The device is a Quad band GSM phone, capable of operating on 99% of the world’s GSM cellular networks.

The device comes pre-loaded with many applications found on most smart phones.  All the Apple-supplied applications appear to be fully accessible.

It is worth noting that there is a learning curve to the gestures used to control the Iphone when Voice Over is running.  Reading the directions is definitely a must.  As you move your finger over the screen the phone begins to announce what is under your finger.  Much like System Access from Serotek announces what is under the mouse.  Double-tapping an item activates the control you are on.  The plus to this approach is that you will get an idea where items are located and will in the future be able to access them much quicker.

Perhaps the most challenging thing is learning to use the keyboard.  When you are in an edit box, the bottom half of the screen displays a QWERTY style keyboard.  The same touch and tap method is used to type.  It takes some getting used to and at first can be frustrating, given the small space the keys are in, but my experience is that my typing speed is already beginning to increase.

Making and receiving calls is smooth.  Apple has taken care to make sure their interface style is consistent across the device and this care shows.  The voice command function works very well, and extends beyond the calling contacts and dialing phone number area.  You can use your voice to tell the iPod application to “play songs by Jessica Simpson.” Or “shuffle songs.”

Sending and receiving E-mails and text messages is easy once you get the typing thing down.

Moving on to 3rd party applications:
One of the major draws to the iPhone platform are the many applications that are out there for it.  Ranging from the totally useless, through the mundane, all the way to the utterly awesome and useful, there are literally thousands of apps out there.  I have found them to be mostly accessible, with unlabeled buttons to be the most challenging portions.  It is my hope that convincing iPhone developers to lable their controls will not be too difficult.

A few examples of these applications, that I will use daily:
Youmail--this company provides enhanced voicemail not only ffor your cell phone but for your other phones as well.  Now I have one voicemail box for my work phone, cell phone, and home phone.  I was using this service before I had the iPhone but the iPhone app provides direct access to my messages in the same visual voicemail style (voicemails show up much like E-mails, allowing you to decide which ones to listen to.)
Alarm.com—this application allows you to control your compadible security system from your phone.  Very nice for hwen you need to let that service person in your house but you don’t want to give them your alarm codes (for obvious reasons).  You can view status, history, arm and disarm, and view video feeds (if you have any cameras connected to your system.)
Pandora—if you are a music fan, you have probably heard of Pandora.  The iPhone ap lets you take your customized radio stations anywhere with you.
GVMobile—allows you access to your Google Voice account.  Google Voice is outside the scope of this discussion but is sort of like another cell phone number.  You can check your messages, send txt messages, make calls…
Grill Guide—custom meat cooking times based on thickness and how you want it done.  Pretty cool!
Facebook--The official facebook app is very accessible and provides great mobile access to the main features of the full website.

Being something of an early adopter, I was ready for this to be much worse than it is.  I am very happy to report that I can recommend this solution to a blind person as a viable, accessible cell phone solution.  Given the fact that it is included out of the box and does not cost extra, it is something to be strongly considered.  Besides, the phone is really pretty and I’ve gotten more than one compliment and “wow” today.  Most people are shocked to hear you tell them it works for a blind person and it tends to spark some interesting (and good!) conversations about accessibility, blindness, etc.

So in closing, thanks Apple for stepping up to the plate.  Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to stop back and give my first impressions on iPhone 3GS with Voice Over.</p>
<p>Over all, Apple has done a great job with this and I am very excited at the step forward that this represents for Universal Accessibility—as well as the opportunities that it presents for future applications.  The iPhone is home to many a valuable third party applications and having built-in accessibility at no additional cost is something that everyone in the Blindness community should celebrate.</p>
<p>Now to the nitty-gritty.  The iPhone 3GS is a device with a very large touch screen that supports multi-touch.  Meaning, unlike most touch screen devices, it is capable of detecting where multiple touch points are.  Therefore it is not necessary to use a stylus to operate the device.  In the United States, it is sold and operated exclusively on the AT&amp;T cellular network.  The device is a Quad band GSM phone, capable of operating on 99% of the world’s GSM cellular networks.</p>
<p>The device comes pre-loaded with many applications found on most smart phones.  All the Apple-supplied applications appear to be fully accessible.</p>
<p>It is worth noting that there is a learning curve to the gestures used to control the Iphone when Voice Over is running.  Reading the directions is definitely a must.  As you move your finger over the screen the phone begins to announce what is under your finger.  Much like System Access from Serotek announces what is under the mouse.  Double-tapping an item activates the control you are on.  The plus to this approach is that you will get an idea where items are located and will in the future be able to access them much quicker.</p>
<p>Perhaps the most challenging thing is learning to use the keyboard.  When you are in an edit box, the bottom half of the screen displays a QWERTY style keyboard.  The same touch and tap method is used to type.  It takes some getting used to and at first can be frustrating, given the small space the keys are in, but my experience is that my typing speed is already beginning to increase.</p>
<p>Making and receiving calls is smooth.  Apple has taken care to make sure their interface style is consistent across the device and this care shows.  The voice command function works very well, and extends beyond the calling contacts and dialing phone number area.  You can use your voice to tell the iPod application to “play songs by Jessica Simpson.” Or “shuffle songs.”</p>
<p>Sending and receiving E-mails and text messages is easy once you get the typing thing down.</p>
<p>Moving on to 3rd party applications:<br />
One of the major draws to the iPhone platform are the many applications that are out there for it.  Ranging from the totally useless, through the mundane, all the way to the utterly awesome and useful, there are literally thousands of apps out there.  I have found them to be mostly accessible, with unlabeled buttons to be the most challenging portions.  It is my hope that convincing iPhone developers to lable their controls will not be too difficult.</p>
<p>A few examples of these applications, that I will use daily:<br />
Youmail&#8211;this company provides enhanced voicemail not only ffor your cell phone but for your other phones as well.  Now I have one voicemail box for my work phone, cell phone, and home phone.  I was using this service before I had the iPhone but the iPhone app provides direct access to my messages in the same visual voicemail style (voicemails show up much like E-mails, allowing you to decide which ones to listen to.)<br />
Alarm.com—this application allows you to control your compadible security system from your phone.  Very nice for hwen you need to let that service person in your house but you don’t want to give them your alarm codes (for obvious reasons).  You can view status, history, arm and disarm, and view video feeds (if you have any cameras connected to your system.)<br />
Pandora—if you are a music fan, you have probably heard of Pandora.  The iPhone ap lets you take your customized radio stations anywhere with you.<br />
GVMobile—allows you access to your Google Voice account.  Google Voice is outside the scope of this discussion but is sort of like another cell phone number.  You can check your messages, send txt messages, make calls…<br />
Grill Guide—custom meat cooking times based on thickness and how you want it done.  Pretty cool!<br />
Facebook&#8211;The official facebook app is very accessible and provides great mobile access to the main features of the full website.</p>
<p>Being something of an early adopter, I was ready for this to be much worse than it is.  I am very happy to report that I can recommend this solution to a blind person as a viable, accessible cell phone solution.  Given the fact that it is included out of the box and does not cost extra, it is something to be strongly considered.  Besides, the phone is really pretty and I’ve gotten more than one compliment and “wow” today.  Most people are shocked to hear you tell them it works for a blind person and it tends to spark some interesting (and good!) conversations about accessibility, blindness, etc.</p>
<p>So in closing, thanks Apple for stepping up to the plate.  Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: MARKBRYAN</title>
		<link>http://serotalk.com/2009/06/11/sour-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>MARKBRYAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the first to cheer for Apple and everything going on.
But, I just want to leave a word of caution in this discussion.
I was a long time Apple user in the early 90&#039;s up to 2005.  I came to the windows os kicking and screaming.  I was not thrilled with the prospect of retooling myself.  I make a living in a busy studio and I have very little time for playing.  So windows happened and here I am.  I have been very happy with so much about what I&#039;ve found in windows.  I many times am using soft wears that are not very accessible and that require a good screen reader to work with.  Many times in the various plug ins I use the screen is invisible to the screen reader and it takes things like user windows and hot spots to be effective and even then it can be hard.
So, I&#039;ve been hearing about apple and I thought I would check in to something.
It is not the main application that is usually problematic for a screen reader, it is the extensions within that application that can be almost impossible to work with.
I use waves audio.  Waves is a 1800$ sweet of sound designing soft wear that is hosted in various applications like Pro tools, Sonar and many others.  In version 5 it was completely accessible in windows.  Then, version 6 came and absolutely all accessibility was gone.  Nice.  I&#039;ve been in conversation with waves about this to no real avail.  I got all excited about voice over and apple and what might be happening with waves and everything apple.  I called waves and told them all about voice over and how to run it.  Long story short there is no accessibility with this soft wear on the apple side either.
I am only writing this because I feel that we must take care and not jump to quickly in to something that may have all of the same issues.
I do rejoice in everything going on with apple and I am glad to see everyone all excited but I know that care and balance are a must especially for those using computers to make a living.
I do very much want apple users to know I deeply appreciate them and all they are doing to push apple forward.  I feel that what is happening at apple is remarkable and deserves support.
The hardship that I have found is with third party developers that make some very good soft wear that are just not interested in accessibility.  It is important to remember that application designers have had everything it takes to make there products accessible in windows for many years and still many do not bother.
I think the most important thing to ask when considering a move in your computing life might be, is what I&#039;m using working for me.  There are many choices and none of them are bad or better, they just offer different ways of getting results.  Windows will be around, apple will be around and S M A&#039;s will be around in some form for a long time.  Everyone&#039;s going to get some money from you, there&#039;s no way around that.  Many times the developers in assistive technology make down rite cool stuff like samobile.  There will always be newer and better and you will in some way pay be that with apple or windows or any other os.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the first to cheer for Apple and everything going on.<br />
But, I just want to leave a word of caution in this discussion.<br />
I was a long time Apple user in the early 90&#8242;s up to 2005.  I came to the windows os kicking and screaming.  I was not thrilled with the prospect of retooling myself.  I make a living in a busy studio and I have very little time for playing.  So windows happened and here I am.  I have been very happy with so much about what I&#8217;ve found in windows.  I many times am using soft wears that are not very accessible and that require a good screen reader to work with.  Many times in the various plug ins I use the screen is invisible to the screen reader and it takes things like user windows and hot spots to be effective and even then it can be hard.<br />
So, I&#8217;ve been hearing about apple and I thought I would check in to something.<br />
It is not the main application that is usually problematic for a screen reader, it is the extensions within that application that can be almost impossible to work with.<br />
I use waves audio.  Waves is a 1800$ sweet of sound designing soft wear that is hosted in various applications like Pro tools, Sonar and many others.  In version 5 it was completely accessible in windows.  Then, version 6 came and absolutely all accessibility was gone.  Nice.  I&#8217;ve been in conversation with waves about this to no real avail.  I got all excited about voice over and apple and what might be happening with waves and everything apple.  I called waves and told them all about voice over and how to run it.  Long story short there is no accessibility with this soft wear on the apple side either.<br />
I am only writing this because I feel that we must take care and not jump to quickly in to something that may have all of the same issues.<br />
I do rejoice in everything going on with apple and I am glad to see everyone all excited but I know that care and balance are a must especially for those using computers to make a living.<br />
I do very much want apple users to know I deeply appreciate them and all they are doing to push apple forward.  I feel that what is happening at apple is remarkable and deserves support.<br />
The hardship that I have found is with third party developers that make some very good soft wear that are just not interested in accessibility.  It is important to remember that application designers have had everything it takes to make there products accessible in windows for many years and still many do not bother.<br />
I think the most important thing to ask when considering a move in your computing life might be, is what I&#8217;m using working for me.  There are many choices and none of them are bad or better, they just offer different ways of getting results.  Windows will be around, apple will be around and S M A&#8217;s will be around in some form for a long time.  Everyone&#8217;s going to get some money from you, there&#8217;s no way around that.  Many times the developers in assistive technology make down rite cool stuff like samobile.  There will always be newer and better and you will in some way pay be that with apple or windows or any other os.</p>
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		<title>By: va3ets</title>
		<link>http://serotalk.com/2009/06/11/sour-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>va3ets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the Mac, I&#039;ve been a mac user here for  a little over 2 years, and I&#039;d say you really have to try a Mac for a while to see if you like it.  Apple has done very well with Voiceover, and it&#039;s just going to get better as Apple continues to update their OS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the Mac, I&#8217;ve been a mac user here for  a little over 2 years, and I&#8217;d say you really have to try a Mac for a while to see if you like it.  Apple has done very well with Voiceover, and it&#8217;s just going to get better as Apple continues to update their OS.</p>
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		<title>By: jmannion</title>
		<link>http://serotalk.com/2009/06/11/sour-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>jmannion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said!  Unfortunately I knew even with my excitement and interest when I read of the announcement that some in our community would have the negative response to what they have not even ever had their hands on yet!  I want to check this out when it is released!  I really have high hopes for it.  It may not be there at first or it might be well refined and worked out right from the start or somewhere in between.  What I think is important though is to encourage Apple in what they are doing and to make it clear we appreciate their efforts.  I have listened to well educated users and fans of the Mac and voiceover and I want to purchase one when I can aford it.  I plan to use it for everything I can and load windows onto the same machine for times that is needed.  What I do hope Apple and others understand is that the blind community is not all one voice and some of what gets press is not credible and not the opinion of all of us.  As for those bashing the very idea of the touch screen screen reader, they should leave it alone if they just do not wish to consider the idea, but understand that it is a choice and additional options are always good!  I am very excited about the idea of using the touch screen being opened up to us!  This is a pivital point to have the door opened up or be left behind and is a grate opportunity to be able to use exactly what others are using right now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said!  Unfortunately I knew even with my excitement and interest when I read of the announcement that some in our community would have the negative response to what they have not even ever had their hands on yet!  I want to check this out when it is released!  I really have high hopes for it.  It may not be there at first or it might be well refined and worked out right from the start or somewhere in between.  What I think is important though is to encourage Apple in what they are doing and to make it clear we appreciate their efforts.  I have listened to well educated users and fans of the Mac and voiceover and I want to purchase one when I can aford it.  I plan to use it for everything I can and load windows onto the same machine for times that is needed.  What I do hope Apple and others understand is that the blind community is not all one voice and some of what gets press is not credible and not the opinion of all of us.  As for those bashing the very idea of the touch screen screen reader, they should leave it alone if they just do not wish to consider the idea, but understand that it is a choice and additional options are always good!  I am very excited about the idea of using the touch screen being opened up to us!  This is a pivital point to have the door opened up or be left behind and is a grate opportunity to be able to use exactly what others are using right now!</p>
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		<title>By: JessTrask</title>
		<link>http://serotalk.com/2009/06/11/sour-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-73</link>
		<dc:creator>JessTrask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said. I&#039;m considering buying a MAC when I have the money. I just wish more companies would make their items accessible out of the box like Apple has done with the iPod, Mac, and now the iPhone 3G S.  I believe that Apple knows what it&#039;s doing making their three major sellers accessible out of the box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said. I&#8217;m considering buying a MAC when I have the money. I just wish more companies would make their items accessible out of the box like Apple has done with the iPod, Mac, and now the iPhone 3G S.  I believe that Apple knows what it&#8217;s doing making their three major sellers accessible out of the box.</p>
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		<title>By: bestsinger</title>
		<link>http://serotalk.com/2009/06/11/sour-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>bestsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the iPhone 3G S, my only question is how fast can I get one. I want to go adventuring. As for the article from the NFB, people my age will remember how they were against the Optacon, the machine that opened the doors to the printed word. As for the naysayers, they also can apparently read the writing on the wall, that Apple&#039;s efforts spell the beginning of the end of our enslavement to high-priced adaptive technology which doesn&#039;t always work that well either. I am so proud that System Access has come down so vocally on the right side of this debate.
Dorothea Martin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the iPhone 3G S, my only question is how fast can I get one. I want to go adventuring. As for the article from the NFB, people my age will remember how they were against the Optacon, the machine that opened the doors to the printed word. As for the naysayers, they also can apparently read the writing on the wall, that Apple&#8217;s efforts spell the beginning of the end of our enslavement to high-priced adaptive technology which doesn&#8217;t always work that well either. I am so proud that System Access has come down so vocally on the right side of this debate.<br />
Dorothea Martin</p>
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		<title>By: jcast</title>
		<link>http://serotalk.com/2009/06/11/sour-apples/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>jcast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 13:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely! Isn&#039;t curiosity a wonderful thing? We live, we learn, we grow, learn some more, grow some more, and on and on it goes.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely! Isn&#8217;t curiosity a wonderful thing? We live, we learn, we grow, learn some more, grow some more, and on and on it goes.  <img src='http://serotalk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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